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In all honesty i think he's an overly emotional guy who just learns to control it. He wants to feel what he teaches but i don't buy what hes teaching

1:51:20 But a lot of what he says is true though

All the conspiracy theorists and Kanye escape the matrix one world government theorist's be saying 'gee, maybe they aren't crazy and are on a different level and are spitting truth '...... 😂😂. Conspiracy theorists are so gullible.

Beautiful! This actually answered one of my questions!

This group is not all bad, it has helped many kids.from being consumed by our materialistic culture.

Great post so funny! I watch this too much can not believe others believe funny! I can not wait to see Joseph Smith Plates of Gold looks so entertaining! Lie so easily! Wunderbar!

Lunacy

TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS!!!

The Anglo Saxons and celts which were living on which is now known as Britain at the time that the Romans arrived, were far more savage and uncivilised then the native Americans ever were! And when they arrived in America they were still not fully civilised they went around killing anything that moved killed all the buffalo almost wiped out the natives of the land and created mayhem everywhere they went the Native American people are owed an apology!

LDS = Lies + Deceit + Sidestepping

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LDS = Lie + Deceive + Sidestep..... C-U-L-T

Its not craziness, its manipulation. If these people were removed from the Cult, they could return to sensability.

"We're all choosing of our own free will", no, there was NO free will involved The Cult tactics robbed them of their free will

Its crazy how many people who get entrenched in Cults are very intelligent people often.

True story. Q: "Why don't women hold the priesthood?" A: "Because they are too smart to want to do so." Really???

C-U-L-T

An irreversible or nearly irreversible decision/choice on or about someone under 18 should not be allowed if that decision/choice can still be made at or after age 18. For example, no one should be force circumcised for non-medical reasons. The choice can be made at age 18 by the person themself. Similarly, many interventions to change physical appearance for transgender needs may be able to be put off until age 18. Jon seems to get this, but unfortunately has aligned himself with people who support that ideology incorrectly. For instance, an anti-LGBTQ person who hates them all at all ages also happens to be against irreversible sex-altering surgery at a young age. Streeter seems to give them a pass because they may be on the right side of one part of the issue. But they are wrong and evil on all other parts of the issue, and Jon needs to point that out so he doesn't appear to be siding with evil people. He needs to help pro-LGBTQ people be more practical about life-altering under age 18 choices and thus get the good guys on his side instead.

LDS = Lie + Deceive + Sidestep

Nope no transitioning. Stop trying to play god

LDS = Lie + Deceive + Sidestep

well done

Sex and gender were synonyms everywhere until the 60’s, some academic circles started to differentiate them at that time, but they were still synonyms for the general public until the early 2000’s. This is why it is so frustrating especially for people over the age of 30. It is a recent language and concept change that some people are pushing aggressively. I am 40, my generation worked hard to push against gender norms, the younger generation seems to be digging their heels into gender norms, exaggerating them, then saying if you don’t fall exactly into one extreme caricature of the genders it means you are trans to some degree. I think it’s annoying but that’s part of being older, we always find the younger generations ideals to be annoying. It is difficult to tell what is dangerous to society vs what is just different from what I am used to.

So glad I left the Mormon church at 17, before I did any of their Freemasonic and Luciferian temple rituals. Praise God I eventually found the true Jesus Christ of the Bible. 🙏✝️💪

A despicable sermon from a false prophet. What else can be said?

Foucault ideas about Marxism are deeply wrong

As an European this thing is from another planet. My strongest argument here is as a kid your are not allowed to drive, vote, smoke and drink but you are allowed to consent on treatments that can be irreversible? Where is the logic in that? No! As long as my kid can wait for his 18 birthday to be considered an adult and be liable for what he dose, for sure he can wait with this until that ages.

Beliefs and habits in which the rules of the community are found shape us, of course our self also wonders. They lived in a series of ideas (cultural representations) that they believed to be true. The difference is that those rules were different from the other rules of other communities (the world around them) and that their selves were under very strong pressure from those representations. ... To understand diversity, but also to be aware of the reflection of one's self and ideas of communities.

Jonathan does well in explaining the issues here

The context of this video is misleading. Elder Oaks is speaking in terms of how we get a testimony of the truth--not about the reality of angelic visitations and so forth. For the vast majority of us--we come to know the gospel is true by more subtle means that what Paul experienced in the road to Damascus. But as far as miracles are concerned--we believe in the charismatic gifts as well as visitations and so forth.

greetings from 2024, watching this happen in real time around me

A day at the WaPo office…

Re: arrogant statement of Carl Sagan, it’s like he’s skipped to the solution answer at the end of a complex math problem and is now pompously lecturing those who are actually working through the problem -

The pharmaceutical industry is the healthcare industry (including their genetic engineering) must answer for the harm they unleashed upon children.

I think both people in this discussion are coming at it with good faith. I do think there are some blind spots that aren't being acknowledged. The discussion of rationalism vs. postmodernism and all the various gender theories was somewhat interesting but it only addressed the roots of modern thinking generally without addressing how these philosophical ideas have morphed over time. For example, it really is the case, that all these things are constructs. Gender is a construct, Sex is a construct. Science is a construct. This is not even disputed by people in the scientific field. The main issue with constructs is whether they provide the most value to those holding the constructs. So the construct of sex, the construct of gender, the construct of left and right handedness are more useful the more they represent reality. Reality exists, and our minds try and create boxes to be better understood but our constructs never fully reach reality because reality is much fuzzier than our language allows. The binary construct of gender exists because it does provide some usefulness, but it is still a construct. If new information arises that fine tunes our perceptions of reality, occasionally those constructs need to be adjusted. "Transgender" is a newer construct which arose from the recognition that many people feel like they belong to the opposite gender but don't fit squarely into the gay/lesbian/bisexual category. Because these constructs came to more fully represent the reality that exists, we could now see that it needed further fine tuning to include those we now call transgender. Secondly, Jonathan poisons the well with this by claiming that early gender theorists also promoted pedophilia (I haven't checked this but I'll assume he's correct here). This of course is a value judgement, but it is correct to say that pedophilia is also a construct based on some objective reality. Our moral reasonings are still arbitrary that sex with children is wrong. I think this societal value judgement is a good one and superior to those which disagree, but it isn't a scientific question. So, it can be both true that our ideas of gender are constructs, our ideas of pedophilia are constructs while at the same time rejecting the idea that pedophilia should be allowed in the same way we may say people can transition and be accepted as a member of the gender they identify with. Where we draw the lines is a social question, hopefully based on reducing harm and increasing benefits. If we arrive at the idea that kids can be given gender affirming care, that does not mean we also have to arrive at the conclusion that adults should be allowed to have sex with children. So, this leads to the crux of the issue, is it harmful or beneficial for people with gender dysphoria to transition? It seems like Streeter is generally open to the idea that it can be for certain people but the whole conversation leads up to a claim that children are being pushed into non-reversible medical procedures, starting with puberty blockers, followed by hormone therapy and eventually surgery. For Johnathan to start off with this dichotomy of rationalism vs. postmodernism and then to not include some empirical evidence that shows these things are occurring is frustrating. I'd even settle for links in the show notes. He's claiming that doctors are being shamed into just giving kids all these things without any rigorous vetting process and that there isn't tracking of the effectiveness/harms that can occur. Isn't this a circular argument? If it isn't being tracked, how do you know its not being tracked? (again, this is why a source for this claim would be helpful) I'm not of the opinion that either of you should be "cancelled". I think more discussions like this should be had and I'm glad you at least made a good faith attempt at it. I hope you'll have someone with a different point of view on to provide some push back if you're interested in fairly covering this topic.

They obviously missed the plane to Jonestown.

2:04:09 What in the world is Jon talking about saying that "you can draw the line between the T and Q" in LGBTQ is whether or not a trans person that wants to "up end society" are in the "Q domain". He clearly does not understand what being queer means and shows his Ideological lens. I also don't think he understands that the pushback that the trans community has towards exploring the causes is that many of us have already gone down that road and are tired of people who only have a passing interest assuming we have not put in the work to explore those things.

Bill should just go ahead and transition. It will turn well

1:09:40 Bill's answer here perfectly demonstrates that he is not well-equipped to speak to the empirical side of the argument. Notice how his main concern is that he use "the right language." He likely would admit that he is on the Post-Modern side of the argument here, but he should not claim to understand the actual established science behind sexually reproducing, anisogamous species like humans. He supports a meta-physical faith-based ideology that just so happens to be doing great harm to children and adults in the west.

It's a spiritual issue. Playing God.

1:52 Bill, you’re framing this (a phobia) in a way that lets homophobic and transphobic people off the hook. Your phrasing could be used by homophobic people trying to prop up their position regarding the homophobia and transphobia in the LDS doctrine… anyone who doesn’t like LGBTQ folks could twist your words. You asked “do you want as positive an outcome for these folks as possible and you simply have a different perspective about what accomplishes that?” I see folks rewriting that to say “I want as positive an outcome for these folks as possible and I simply have a different perspective about what accomplishes that” So you’re words are making it such that everyone can excuse themselves from their homophobia and transphobia I have looked at both sides which brought to the advocacy side for trans folks. I’m going to keep listening to see if you actually present both side of the information fairly and objectively. Your introduction to this episode isn’t filling me with confidence about that though. You’ve spent a lot of time prefacing your episode with how if people don’t like what Jonathan has to say then they are being closed minded. I think it takes an open mind and a lot of learning to get through all the noise of transphobia to get to the supportive side so I would guess that a lot of trans allies have done their due diligence to learn about trans folks and what their needs are.

They all look like high functioning autistic ppl with whom they can relate to... They're just happy to be there...

Judith Butler and Michel Foucault were fractally wrong bsers imo. The classically liberal side is entirely right and the postmodern side entirely wrong.

This is a great analysis….Oaks does a very “lawyer” like dance on his words. Also if you read the reason for the ban on LDS org it clearly states that the banned was not from God not revelation…for Oaks to acknowledge this was from God by stating God don’t always give reason is frustrating.

The people are all weird looking. The whole thing is demonic. I believe they were all mentally ill. It is sad that they followed the leader right into hell. He was the craziest of them all. He definitely was mentally ill.

Great discussion, but it would appear that you both have only started looking at this now that word is really getting out about the medical harm to children, and so are missing some important points. You describe the sex realist side as being heavily influenced by the religious right, and if we got some of that rhetoric out of the way everyone could sit down and talk. You don’t seem to be aware that the original push back against gender was from left-wing feminists, even in the United States. They just had no influence or platform within left-wing circles. They were shouted down as bigots. I would say that your supposition that if we get rid of the right-wing influence misses the fact that they were actually late to the party and no one was listening before they turned up. The other thing that shows you’ve not really engaged with discussions that women’s rights activists have been having over this is that you didn’t seem to mention the effect of sexual motivations for transition. You talked about stereotypes and people thinking they were more comfortable with one set or the other. You didn’t discuss how those stereotypes play into, predominately, male sexual fetishes and how that is a significant motivation for many to adopt, what is in their mind, the stereotypical behaviour of the opposite sex. Gender identity theories have been co-opted by this group as a justification for their behaviour. It is one of the main issues with allowing gender identities to take precedence over sex. That’s the elephant in the room with any discussion of gender identities.

Nerd cult. At least Yoga cults have beautiful people.

ENDEMOL AND THE END GAME

victims of a perverted class of 'healthcare' 'professionals' ?

TWILIGHT AND OTHER POTTY TEEN DRAMAS AND VAMPIRES " TRANSITIONING "